Category Archives: How Sonship Doctrine Can stay within orthodoxy

How to be Perfect

Right where we first found out that we could become perfect, we are told how. Somehow, though, no one ever got around preaching about that. For some reason… or other?…. Ephesians 4:11&12 was always referenced as the primary was to become perfect.

If Jesus gives us a command to be perfect, wouldn’t He have told us how? Oh! But He did. It will be a happy surprise!

The alternative is a bunch of rules. If The Law, the Torah couldn’t work for that, how would some new set work? Especially if they keep changing? Oy vey.

Maybe we were confused … or snookered.

Amazingly, in the very passage where we established that it was appropriate to have an aspiration to be perfect because God gave us that command, God also gave us the way. Spoiler alert: it is NOT obeying the ministry. It is walking in love. Wow!

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Death to Self OR The Crucified Life

Wow! This was a long time in coming, but it may be the most important episode. Preaching “death to self” or (surprise to me) more properly “The Crucified Life” as good news! Of utmost importance in terms of being saved, not losing your salvation, having a good life, and not exasperating your children. Worth more teaching, which will be forthcoming — sometime. Please do check back. In the meantime, please share.

New Topics- Current Events: HATH PERFECTED and Engaging with the World

There are at least a couple of other topics I want to cover, but can’t quite get it done fast enough.

1. Rocking revelation in Hebrews 10 : God hath perfected us! There, in that reading, twice! And other Scriptures confirm. This is in the past or past perfect tense. So this is NOT something we strive or obtain in our own strength. It is something we obtain by faith and of course, will walk it out. The differences are subtle in language, but big in result. How did we get off kilter to forget faith, and God’s great power to do this? God will be faithful to do this; God will finish what he has completed.

2. What would a Son of God look like? Like Jesus, sure. What did Jesus do? He preached the Kingdom, healed people, and changed lives. Okay, so evangelism, miracles, and even changing of the world order is something that the Sons of God would do. What could be greater than what Jesus did? More miracles? What about if there were a worldwide body…. then wouldn’t the whole world order change? Instead of moving under the Sanhedrin and under the forces of Rome, (along with Joseph of Arimatheas and people in Ceasar’s household)…. how about rulers themselves now judging in righteousness because their hearts have been turned to the love of God?

Isn’t clear that we are in such a fulcrum? How did we get so mesmerized by the Anti-Christ that we thought we would just endure or just die off, until Jesus alone came back? Thank God, Jesus Himself will come back… but for a glorious church. Ahh! Amazing. No wonder the church couldn’t get all of eschatology together in order… it was God’s plan… just like how it was important that the plan not be public about how Jesus would come the first time. HAHAH.

Check out Lance Wallnau’s **As One** Event on October 31,2020, on Facebook or Periscope archive. MarioMurillo and Robert Henderson and other pastors, apostles & prophets participated.

Okay, so while it might a good thing to come apart for a while, how did we ever get the idea that we would never serve in the wider world? We would never evangelize? I remember that specifically being taught against. Not so much now, I know. But still… how can we look down at our brothers who are bringing thousands to Jesus Christ? Equipping people to serve at high levels in governments and business? Even when they do a good job of encouraging people to believe that they can be sons of God, partaking of the nature of God… and they stay in orthodoxy and unity … and even humility?!?!

I will develop these when I can. For now, please feel encouraged to serve in the ways that Holy Spirit tells you. Praying for our nation is a very good start. There is a set of prayer points that will very likely help.

Check these out: Sid Roth interviewing Kevin Zadai who urges praying in faith for our nation and the vital importance of doing so now… and great great great potential outcomes

Same prayer points, in paperback are available on
For help on beginning one to one soul winning, try (BTW Rodney Howard Browne has books that expose globalist corruption clearer than anything that we heard back to the ’70s. Yes, we heard a lot. This is clear.)

For myth busting, real stats, curated, on “pandemic”, shut-down, and attempt to close churches…. and the current beginning legal reversal of same. Johnathan Shuttlesworth’s **Check the News** may run only through election night. Humorous, but you can snip the visual charts. A great deal better info (like numbers, straightforwardly presented, actual facts) than you get on any commercial media.

Notice, none of the named people above really have anything to do with the sonship doctrine or know that they were named herein; I am just listing what I take to be good resources that relate to what I was thinking at the moment I wrote this.  George Hawtin, George Warnock, and Bill Britton were the first to preach sonship, have passed, and are herein acknowledged.  

Sonship Assumes Fatherhood

And obvious truth: to be a son, there has to be a father. Another obvious truth: that we are children of God at all, depends upon the love of the Father.

So how did we miss this in our discussions (so many years ago) about sonship? Let’s go over basic scriptures, to see what they really say. A little Greek, but mostly just the flow of the original argument, establishes that sonship is about growing in what was given us in our birth — rather than about some new “gospel” of works, etc.

I think you will rejoice when you get the idea.

Mentioned as preaching sonship rooted in the love of God:  Dan Nori’s course hosted by Joseph Peck, January 2019, and Johnny Enlow’s Rise 7 podcast #133 and  #87.

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What Does a Mature Son of God look like?

A Clear idea of what a mature Son of God looks like. This answers “what about eschatology?” and “What about 7M?” Quick mention of Rev 12 and I Thessalonians 5. What does a Son of God look like? Like JESUS. See Acts 10:38. So let’s see every one de-oppressed. How about that?

History of “The Move”

Here is a brief history of what has been called the “Sam Fife Body of Christ Move of God.”

Not trying to call anyone out and not overlooking the blemishes. The point is to not replicate the mistakes made in the past. All respect to those who stepped out and risked much in order to answer the call to “go all the way with God.”

Nevertheless, if I am tasked with repreaching this, then it would be my duty to put the discussion into some historical context. Not saying this is exhaustive. Please feel free to add any concise, civil addition you yourself know of by eye witness.

I Will Ascend – 3 of 3

Finishing out the “There is a Fine Line Between Sonship Doctrine and The ‘I Will Ascend’ Doctrine.  Substituting ourselves for the unique, begotten Son, Jesus who is the Lord God is over the line and into the “I will ascend” doctrine.  Check out Sam Fife’s original booklets, particularly Man, Maid, and Manchild, to see the substitution for Jesus. The ministry was the bridegroom. This is no longer taught, but is revealing.Good example of what to be careful.


I Will Ascend 1 of 3

I have always said there is a fine line between sonship doctrine and the “I will ascend” doctrine.  I thought other people said it too. In any case, let’s make that line very clear, highlighted, and noticed — so we all back away from it. Let’s not go over it. Satan has always perverted truth. That is his method. And the greater the truth, perhaps the more concerted and perverted is the twist.

This is not the last podcast, but it is the one (or 3)  that perhaps is the most important, the one without which I couldn’t advertise the podcast. Thank God, I finally got it up, in time for Passover and Resurrection Sunday in 2020. So much is going on. So quickly. This seems so behind, but I am working as fast as I can.

Please share. Please share it with people who are confused and upset about this issue. I hope it helps a lot.


Wesley Gave a Good Foundation for Sonship Doctrine

If one wishes to build a tall building, and not have it fall down, then a good foundation is in order. Since John Wesley was the first person known to preach perfection, and since he had no scandals and is agreed to have been a responsible and charismatic leader, let us see — and pay attention to — the foundation he laid.

More recent sonship movements have become skewed, faltering, and even perverse when they left the basic doctrine of salvation. Let’s review those in Wesley’s 4 point sermon that he gave all helpers. He made it simple so that uneducated men and women could preach. Here are the 4 points: All people must be saved. All people can be saved. All people can know they are saved. All can be saved to the uttermost/max. (Modern language.)

If we forget that Jesus’ work saved us, we get off track. However, we have not gone the full way if we don’t consider that we can be saved to the max. That is sonship.


BTW, there is more from Wesley on the podcast. Please be sure you are subscribed on a podcast platform. Doesn’t look like I have up a way to subscribe to this blog. If you want that, you may let me know. Thanks.