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Wesley Gave a Good Foundation for Sonship Doctrine

If one wishes to build a tall building, and not have it fall down, then a good foundation is in order. Since John Wesley was the first person known to preach perfection, and since he had no scandals and is agreed to have been a responsible and charismatic leader, let us see — and pay attention to — the foundation he laid.

More recent sonship movements have become skewed, faltering, and even perverse when they left the basic doctrine of salvation. Let’s review those in Wesley’s 4 point sermon that he gave all helpers. He made it simple so that uneducated men and women could preach. Here are the 4 points: All people must be saved. All people can be saved. All people can know they are saved. All can be saved to the uttermost/max. (Modern language.)

If we forget that Jesus’ work saved us, we get off track. However, we have not gone the full way if we don’t consider that we can be saved to the max. That is sonship.


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John Wesley Preached Perfection

John Wesley, Anglican clergyman and movement founder and ultimately founder of the Methodist traditions, did teach that perfection was possible. He is the first person, I believe, to preach such a thing. It was controversial. However, we have his published writings on the topic. Indeed, we have a a series of writing, so we can see his thought. This is what he said.

You may obtain a copy of the official version on this link.  It is widely available and still, occasionally, discussed. It  is not believed by any Methodist church. It is not the same as any holiness group believes now. I submit to you, however, that given that John Wesley began the discussion about holiness in our culture and church history, that we should give him a good listen — at the very least. We will learn much. It is respecting the fathers of the faith, if nothing else.

I commend this to your study. I think it will both encourage us and correct us, if we study Wesley’s doctrine of perfection.